Claim: Titanic had 14 bow portholes. In my view it is very unlikely that the damage was more significant than was admitted at the time. 19344. How could -and why would- a competitor become implicated in a massive and highly complex 'switch' theory, notably without a scrap of evidence to show for it? Firstly because a collision resulting in water overflowing the top of a bulkhead was considered very unlikely. 26 'James Fenton antiques' For Sale and Sold ( 4 For Sale 22 Sold) Page 1. Only a limited number of changes required for a switch, 8. He holds an undergraduate degree in biomedical engineering with honors from The University of Iowa and completed medical school at The University of . The evidence for this is that it is only mentioned A few passengers, 2nd Class passenger Lillian Bentham and Emily Rugg reported that someone jumped it from an upper deck which might have been A Deck. So does the post-disaster image of Olympic show the "doubler" overlapping or not? As it is a montage that was artificially created they could have quite easily ensured that this area was not accurately shown.? Morgan also had several valuable bronze statues removed from the ship just one hour before she sailed! Why only them? The wheelhouse actually sits within the bridge enclosure and behind the forward bulwark (see deck plans below). In fact, the area of the wreck highlighted in this so-called 'evidence' has peeled away from the side of the stern so was most likely further forward on the hull than presently seen. The Turkish bath spaces were different. First and foremost there is no documented evidence to verify it. As it was named the "Olympic Class" it would hence not be unusual to feature the first ship in any advertising. Gardiner argues that when on the port side boat No. Order. And if you compare actual photographs of Titanic's starboard side to images of the wreck you will see it matches completely: A direct comparison reveals that the B-deck windows on Titanic and wreck match precisely, revealing the 'meme' to be false. On Olympic the fireplace was at the outer wall between two windows. This is the 'meme' here: Ignoring the 'all caps', childish and somewhat emotional captioning, the key part of the image used is indeed from official wreck photographs. The ship being ready to steam was simply because they were trapped by ice and at the earliest time possible would want to continue their journey. Firstly, how would White Star believe they could pull something like this off when no doubt hundreds of crew would see water pouring into the ship through the seacocks? Claim: As welding had not yet been invented, it was customary for White Star Line to etch or cut the names of their liners into the steel and not rivet them to the outside. 9 and was ordered by 1st Officer Murdoch down to A Deck where he helped with the loading of lifeboat No. Researchers Bill Sauder and Parks Stephenson have come to the conclusion that in fact the dining room was not carpeted. The fields are mined and the wind blows cold. Above left: Olympic taken when the vessel was in the Thompson Graving Dock in 1911, allegedly shows her to have had a vertical joint in her hull plating immediately forward of the port side anchor hawse pipe. This would seem very odd considering the fact that people were paying for Titanic's maiden voyage and not the Olympics maiden voyage. Now, director James Cameron is hoping . in a high position in the company, the other man was in a very high position Which brings us to a total of at least 1047 aboard the Carpathia on the night of the Titanic disaster. Sometime later in a documentary entitled "Titanic - The Shocking Truth" the following image appeared: An obviously faked computer generated image of the letters M and P on the wreck. - Fourth Officer Boxhall "a little ice in the well deck covering a space of about three or four feet from the bulwarks right along the well deck, small stuff. (British Enquiry,Day 13) Without further information or documentation on this "private flat in the Wirral" -even a photograph - 14. Actually, it is quite likely true that most of the Belfast 'delivery trip' crew did not sign on for Titanic's maiden voyage. (Click image to enlarge). The cost of switching the ships (note point 5 about the number of changes necessary on both ships) and additional ongoing costs of keeping thousands of people quiet would be enormous and most importantly completely unnecessary. performance on her maiden voyage, and as the speed increased, Titanic was well placed to exceed her sisters average speed.". Difference in Titanic's windows on B deck Secondly it was a "national coal strike" so the shortage of fuel would primarily only affect ships departing or visiting England. This is consistent with the damage previously sustained by Olympic. According to Titanic researcher Jonathan Smith, "The footing of the wheelhouse should be there, the teak lip that outlines the shape of the wheelhouse.". Please note how it does not match the so-called 'Titanic' image in the 'meme.' They were metal plates which were screwed on. and loss account had risen from $48,585 in 1910 to $821,062 in the year ending 1 2. ", Olympic (left) and Titanic during construction at Harland & Wolff, Belfast. The claim that he repeatedly referred to Titanic as Olympic seems to be without founding. The long list of differences is discussed on the previous page here. Let us know if you have suggestions to improve this article (requires login). You do not need to be an expert to see that it certainly does not. For a company that has miraculously been able to switch ships including hundreds of thousands of numbers on the back of wooden panels, without anyone knowing, this seems a rather farfetched and unlikely plan. Claim: The Olympic's hull was painted white for its launch so that it would show up in photographs better. surviving crew got to port they were all taken aside and met by two men, one James Fenton (b. There were no plates or anything that could be swapped over- the name was literally engraved into the ship, then filled in with paint. 2. Then there's the furniture: so heavy you could hardly lift it. Ultimately, when asked about the Olympic 'switch' theory he went on record as saying the wreck is Titanic. The most telling aspect of this either unintentional -or possibly intentional- forgery, is the desperate need to do it. 3 additional double-ended boilers were lit up about 8 a.m. (although they take 12 hours before they are put online) and he was sure that the ships five auxiliary It must also be noted that many of Olympic's westbound crossings had an average speed of 21 and a half. Even if he did blatantly confuse the names of the ships, it would be clear evidence there was not a 'switch', as otherwise he would have been absolutely sure to get the correct name of the ship to ensure the fraud was watertight. "Olympic Class" referred to a set of three ships: Olympic, Titanic and Britannic. Claim: The ice on the deck of the Titanic is explained by Gardiner as ice from the rigging of both the Titanic and the mystery ship she hit. J.P. Morgan and 50 others cancel passage, 25. However it seems that conspiracy theorists make a deliberate mathematical error, and then label it 'conclusive evidence'. It must be added that in 1912 it was not usual to have inaccurate artist's impressions and wrongly captioned photographs. They were also not on the gunwhales but on the sides of the lifeboat. According to Steve Hall and Bruce Beveridge's book "Titanic or Olympic, Which Ship Sank?" Mark Chirnside reports the following: "The companys surplus on the profit While there were costs involved in repairing the damage in the Olympic/Hawke collision, and that the Olympic was out of service meant lost revenue, the fact is that as a business the White Star Line was not going bankrupt and there simply was no need for a 'switch'. LET'S SEE THE "EXPERTS" DEBUNK THIS ONE." I think it is impossible that the Olympics keel was damaged in the collision, as Robin Gardiner speculates in his 1998 book Titanic: The Ship That Never Sank? In another attempt to find a photographic inconsistency to support a 'switch' theory, this one is probably the hardest to see or make sense of. The story come from Frank Finch, a retired seaman living in New South Wales, Australia, who wrote a letter to Titanic was at full steam but not achieving maximum speed And as for both Lord and Smith sleeping "full clothed" that is pure speculation, and has little relevance anyway. Interestingly, by the time of the Titanic disaster, Olympic's 14 portholes were also changed to 16 during her major refit, so in fact they were the same. Fenton was also active in the theatre scene. On the wreck, what remains of the base of the wheel house (right) is clearly straight revealing it is indeed the Titanic (right image courtesy of Ghosts of the Abyss -Walt Disney Pictures and Walden Media). The number proves that 1. the propellers could and would not be swapped and 2. that it is Titanic. This is his testimony: I understand it has been stated that the ship was going at full speed. This is because, of course, as an insurance scam everything was a set up and rescue ships were in the area waiting for the sinking. And if these researchers and historians are supposedly "in" on the conspiracy then why would they release this image at all and risk the 'truth' being known? 15 $18.4 17.55 Silver Cricket Fob Recess Antiques 85.00 $104.27 99.42 Silver & M,O,P Fruit Knife.Sheff.1910 By J.Fenton. In reality, Titanic's starboard B-deck windows were more narrow than the Olympic's as onboard Titanic these areas had been converted into two private verandahs and suites. off the bell. Actually it is quite simply medium grey primer that was used on all three Olympic class ships, including Titanic, James Cameron had his work cut out for him when it came to getting Leonardo DiCaprio to star in "Titanic." The famed director was honored with a Hand and Footprint Ceremony at the TCL Chinese . showing through, but which under the harsh lighting conditions looks more white than grey. Accomplished through strategic, long term planning . 33. The vessel which sailed out of Southampton on 10 April 1912 can only have been a 45,000 ton ship with the last minute addition of 1,000 tons of GRT in her B Deck public rooms and enclosed area on A Deck. Claim: The ship was going full steam, but was achieving only 21 knots, rather than its theoretical maximum of 23, despite the Atlantic being exceptionally calm on the night of the sinking. Lack of documentation - there is a noticeable lack of specific documentation or references to prove this claim. While the Sea Scouts were restoring the old life boat they discovered the name Olympic cut into the gunwhale. Fenton was made a fellow of the Royal Society of Literature in 1983. I was wondering if there was enough information available about the conspiracy theories to warrant expansion or even a separate article. "cargo of a few thousand woolly jumpers and blankets." ships the crows nest bell seldom has any writing on it.". This misunderstanding may be one of the reasons why this particular 'theory' holds fast despite its obvious answer. However, as already established (in this point here) Titanic was, in fact, under-insured by $2.5 million. The actual triangular hole in the Olympic is much further aft than the location of the so-called 'patchwork' on the wreck. This was the result of a difference in the coal consumption and the emptied coal bunker aft of BR 6 and forward of BR 5The coal bunker was on the starboard side which was emptied. Was this to hide 12 months worth of scratches and marks on the linoleum's surface? 45,000) in the last eight years. Due to the lack of media coverage The Titanic was carefully inspected nearly every day during her construction and again after arriving in Southampton. Even sailing at top speed through dangerous waters it arrived several hours after the sinking. a manifest needs to be presented (and in the grand scheme of things and the overwhelming evidence a 'switch' did not take place would prove very little anyway). Secondly, it is true that the outline of each letter was incised into the hull, and then painted in with a golden/yellow shade. and would never get a job when they got out. Frank Finch's letter paraphrases what his son Dennis recalled from a conversation he had in the early 1970s with an old sailor named James Fenton, also known as Paddy Fenton or "Paddy the Pig": Dennis Fench, who relayed the story told to him by "Paddy the Pig". Paddy said that the guilt of 25. However, as with the mythical "private flat in the Wirral" claim, this is devoid of any documented evidence. Fenton, F. -Saloon steward Ferrary, Auto -Trimmer Ferris, W. -Leading fireman . did not do serious damage but when the cold water hit the coal fire, it Titanic being towed out to her sea trials. Sorry, no evidence of conspiracy here, just a touched up photograph. 8. There are two key issues with this story. The "Olympic" is the Titanic's sister ship ("RMS Olympic"), and part of the conspiracy . anything like this. 7. While reporting from the Philippines for The Independent in 198689, he witnessed the fall of the abusive authoritarian regime of Ferdinand Marcos. Quite simply Titanic was underinsured, the main reason being that the White Star Line actually insured its own ships. Damage from Olympic 's collision with Hawke was more significant 3. The ship had never been at His theatre reviews were later collected as You Were Marvellous (1983). Claim: While Olympic was open for inspection by the press and public in both Belfast and Southampton, Titanic was not open for any inspection at all, except to The Board of Trade inspection. but would have perhaps slowed the rate of sinking. If indeed Titanic had a room called "The Olympic Room" this would only appear superstitious if one believes the ships were switched. it is highly unlikely that any crew member would have foregone his pay, and no pay was ever claimed by a crewman named James Fenton. Claim: J. However both RMS Olympic and RMS Titanic had their names riveted oncovering something up perhaps? His winning sonnet sequence was later published with the assistance of his professor, poet John Fuller, as Our Western Furniture (1968) and was broadcast on the BBC. Could it be Cross-checking with Encyclopedia Titanica website, which has extensive passenger and crew lists, the number of crew aboard the Carpathia exceeded 300 (it lists 307, but it is not necessarily a complete list). certainly not be unusual to discover a bulkhead in the stern of the wreck of Olympic, Titanic or Britannic and certainly does not prove a 'switch'. We have been told by the look-out people that there were binoculars on the Olympic? According to a Mirror article about Southampton entitled "The City That Lost a Generation to the Titanic Disaster" (March 24, 2012) "17,000 men were without work that April" due to the coal strike. Displacement tonnage is the actual weight of a ship (about 52,000 tons for Titanic). The Titanic's design used some of the most advanced technology available at the time and the ship was popularly believed to be . The wind blows cold theories to warrant expansion or even a separate article any writing on it ``. 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